Just saw a Dr. Phil movie clip where some pua explains what he's doing and there were just girls in the audience bashing him. You know, I myself always thought there was something wrong with the whole approach the seduciton community has. But I didn't really understand it until now, and still only very few understand it.
The girls in the audience and girls in general blame pua's because they would just "use" them as objects and are not interested in them as a person. Pua's on the other hand think that they just want to give women a good time and as long as you are open about your intentions everything is all right with trying to be your best self and capitalize on that.
Both approaches somehow seem right, and they are but on different levels. Women are right for the wrong reasons and men are wong for the right reasons, I will explain:
What is manipulation? It is influencing a PERSON with specific INTENTIONS to get certain results. So here you have to distinguish between outer and inner game. All inner game training (inner game on the level of behavior, secondary level) is a choice and you can make what you want out of you, it is not on the level of the soul so it does not fuck you up too much if it is somehow aligned with integrity. Outer game though, can only have the intention to manipulate the other person for your means. Your soul is no longer in what you do, you sold yourself to the devil so to speak ;). To kill your aliveness is not worth a single fuck, because being alive is all we are or have. To be honest it is not so worse for the girl, because you're giving her a good time, you will appear like a small hero. She may just be dissapointed afterwards, when she sees the real you. But most of the harm will be for the pua. There was a reason mystery ended in the nuthouse.
But here's where the women go wrong: Everybody is manipulating, kissing ass etc 95% of the people are manipulators they are just not doing it CONSCIOUSLY and do not practice their manipulation skills, that is the ONLY difference and that does not make a fundamental difference. If you buy flowers for a girl it will probaly be a very rude manipulation the way most people are doing it (a flower guy would just pull out the magic pill right ahead if he had one). And even if you feel lonely and want to be intimate again you are just filling a whole which makes the other person into a thing. There's no difference, it just seems more moral.
Furthermore: The community is approval seeking in nature (so many other people are anyway). Many people try to fill an empty void inside by stroking their egos how socially accepted and successful they are. They are trying to build a fundament on fluffy sand so to speak.